Community Discussion

One thing i think should be created is a page for multiproxy reconstructions with a link to a page for each know reconstruction. These can then be linked to the various pages on CA which discuss the given reconstruction. And a summary of each reconstruction can be added with things like BCP content and other problematic proxies.

BTW, I'm starting this out in e-mail format with the newest "message" on top, but It could be done the other way with the newest message at the bottom if that's more in line with wiki practice.

Dave Dardinger

This is the Talk Page. You may subdivide this page, or, delete it with a better alternative system that is more consistent with Wiki software/conventions.

First order of business: Are there built-in discussion pages on wikispot.org corresponding to every content page as is the case on wikipedia? If not, it shouldnt be too difficult to create such pages (e.g. create a page called "Hockey Stick Controversy Talk Page" with an inconspicous link somewhere on the content page), and in any case, this can be a general talk page for the general direction of the wiki.

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2007-11-27 17:37:54   When logged in, (and I think also even when not logged in) there is a talk icon next to the edit icon next to the page name. Clicking it will create a talk page for any topic. Also the Comment macro [[Comments]] will allow anyone to add comments and those comments will be timestamped and signed with their login. —JasonAller

2007-11-28 18:07:38   A wiki is what you make of it - striving for readability is paramount, and the comment boxes add things to the bottom, so top down is probably the best/easiest way to add new stuff. —KarlMogel

2007-11-28 19:23:56   Nice to have someone experienced here to help us along. Since I've already started my suggested Multiproxy Reconstruction page and the question of how to add comments is taken care of, someone may want to redo the top of this page, or if nobody else does so the next day or two I'll do it myself. —DaveDardinger

2007-11-28 21:05:31   One really good place to look are the Help pages on Wiki Spot that we built. There's a lot in there on how to format things, have images, tricky linking, css style info, tables (which I suppose may become useful for this project), and more. —KarlMogel

2007-11-28 23:04:47   Would it be a bad idea to have separate pages for posts in CA? For instance, on the page Multiproxy Temperature Reconstructions one could link to a wiki page instead of directly to the CA page. Each of the pages could then contain a short description what the Climate Audit page is all about. We could use the same numbering for these wiki pages as for CA pages, eg Climate Audit Post 2448 would be a page dedicated to Creating a guide for Climate Audit Newbies This way we would reduce the number of comments like "could someone explain this in plain english to a statistics-challenged", which I find annoying and disturbing the general discussion. —JeanS

2007-11-28 23:17:36   I expect that eventually there will be individual pages for each proxy article with each page listing . But I'm just starting things out by creating a few lines for each multiproxy article, and links to a few CA pages. Anyone who wants to get ambitious and create a page for a given paper and copy over my stub is welcome to. Just leave a link to the new page with the paper you're breaking out. —DaveDardinger

2007-11-29 00:25:04   OK! I made a couple of pages to illustrate what I meant. Please, at least correct my English :) —JeanS

2007-11-29 00:49:42   Thanks, Jean! I added a link back to the Main Multiproxy page, though at this point it isn't strictly needed (You can just use the back arrow on your browser). But if people start creating links to a page from other pages, it may come in handy. —DaveDardinger

2007-11-29 07:09:39   I think making an individual page for every post would be about as useful as just searching the CA site itself. You could instead make pages organized by topic, issue, paper critiqued, etc, and on those pages, provide summaries for posts on that topic, with a link to the post accompanying the summary. Climate Audit Post 999999 would not be very searchable. Wikispot searches (on the top right) return page titles first, and page content second. I think people wouldn't be searching for post # 999999 so much as searching for posts on "Hockeystick". —KarlMogel

2007-11-29 07:28:52   Karl, I think the suggestion was to make a seperate page for each paper (which would contain links to the relevant CA threads), not to make a seperate page for each CA post.

FYI: Is it possible to link to a specific point on a page here? I dont want to do this specifically, but as an example could I create a link to the glossary page that would point directly to a specific acronym? —GeorgeCastanza

2007-11-29 13:11:06   George, I believe it is. You just have to create an anchor at the spot you want to link to. I haven't tried it either yet, but I think the instructions on how to do it are available in the help here. —DaveDardinger

2007-11-29 13:32:12   BTW, As I'm getting near the point of entering all of the multiproxies into the main page, what's the consensus as to which order to sort them when I'm done; oldest first then alpha, oldest last, or strictly alpha or something else? —DaveDardinger

2007-11-29 14:07:07   I added ReqEM to the list of appreviations on the Acronym page (though I need the definition) and then added a link to the "R" definitions in the reference to ReqEM on the Rutherford page to show how it looks. Basically you just get the URL for the page you want and then add "#anchor_name" to point to the anchor on the page you want to be at. In this case there are already anchors for each letter of the alphabet, so assuming that's close enough you just have to add "#R". —DaveDardinger

2007-11-29 18:15:59   Text for anchors: (capitalization of the A is required) [[Anchor(anchorname)]] And to link to it: [#anchorname link text]
There is currently no way of linking to an anchor from another page, except, by linking to the page with the full URL: [http://url.org/pagename#anchor] —KarlMogel

2007-11-29 20:20:48   I note we have a "people" tab which hasn't been created yet. I suppose we want to use this to give bios and links to the authors of proxy papers and Steve and Ross and maybe some of the regulars at CA. Anybody want to start doing it? —DaveDardinger

2007-11-30 22:06:24   Well, I've created pages for all the MultiProxy pages and will be adding all the posts Steve McIntyre has referenced in the sidebars. If anyone wants to write text for the articles or pages, feel free. I'll do them eventually if nobody else does, but the more hands, the quicker we get the wiki to a useful stage. —DaveDardinger

2007-11-30 23:44:28   Jean S or whoever, How did you get the link on the Multiproxies page to the Rutherford page become completely underlined? I've created the pages to the other articles but they're still underlined with dashes. I suppose it's something simple, but I don't see it offhand. —DaveDardinger

2007-12-01 05:11:52   jkerns, Nice job of setting up some of the pages I started. If we can get all of them looking like that it will be a big accomplishment! —DaveDardinger

2007-12-12 22:54:41   Is there a "what links here?" page or command here, such as there is at Wikipedia?

TIA & Cheers — Pete Tillman —Tillman

• Click the Info button (top of the page), look under the "Links" tab. Also see Wanted Pages, Orphaned Pages, Outgoing Links, All Pages and others listed at Site Organization. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards
  

• Thanks! —Pete Tillman
  

2007-12-16 00:35:05   I suggest creating a page about the various viewpoints of Steve McIntyre. I have noticed that the explanations on his site, this wiki (so far), and the wikipedia page doesn't say much, either. I remember he recently made a post where he said that the majority view should be used in policy decisions (I think he was talking from the POV of a business owner). The Beginner's Guide is a good start for links, but it difficult to read and merely points to posts, so far. I realize that this is a work in progress so I'm offering this up as a suggestion. —KarlMogel

2008-08-19 01:34:51   I posted a link to our Glossary of Acronyms (which PMulholland keeps improving — thanks!) to Real Climate a day or two back. What a surprise, it never appeared! Peasants. —Tillman